How would one go about doing this? Is there a firearm equivalent of Silk Road or does one just find a sketchy looking individual at your local drug hole and say, "Yo' dawg! You got any gunz fo me brotha?" or something that effect?
All hypothetically of course.
You gotta try harder.
Sorry, I couldn't resist.
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I've heard you go to a gun store and ask the owner if they have anything automatic, whether that's what you want or not, it at least breaks the ice.
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You get in touch with drug gangs. The harder the drugs they deal with the more likely you are to fall upon a firearm.
Or if you know someone who works at a shooting range, ask them. People sometimes sell their fire arms to them (mostly from wars that they brought back home as soldiers), and they might be able to help you. This would actually be better than dealing with gangsters.
WOW really people?
OP, what kind of firearm are you looking to get? Rifle, shotgun or pistol? In NY, shotguns and rifles do not need to be registered, but you do need to be 18 + to purchase one legally. If you aren't going to do it legally, then ignore my entire post. Don't purchase illegal firearms, you will only fuck your chances of owning any for your entire life.
If you don't want to be legal, then I'm not gonna waste my time explaining the laws.
Battle of Athens 1946 - Google it.
In the entire history of the Mosin Nagant there have only been four documented cases when anyone has actually used the safety.
True story
SKS as HD option: Here, they would probably have a laugh or two about the "guy who fired 9 rounds at the burglars and then was seen by the neighbors running buck naked after them with the bayonet deployed"
In Canada they removed the Longarm registry, so technically speaking, you can get a license and buy unregistered firearms
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Originally Posted by XDW
For once the "Hypothetical" is actually true. I have no immediate interest in purchasing any firearm, legal or otherwise. I'm just curious. So are you saying that if I legally purchase a gun in NY my name will be in no way attached to said gun?
Serial numbers registered to your name
If you purchase a shotgun or rifle legally, then no. If anyone wanted to trace you to a specific longarm in NY (Besides in NYC) they would have to go to the FFL you purchased the firearm from. FFLs are required to keep records of all transactions and the NICS check is just a quick background check to make sure you are not a prohibited person. In NY, if you purchase a handgun (in any transaction, even FTF, there is a whole crazy way that NY handles that), then those will get registered. You could also go to a gun show and purchase from someone there. Face to face transactions do not require a background check, but they are limited in a way. You must be 18+, be in your home state (or else you will have to do the transfer through a FFL01) and the seller has to have no reason to suspect you to be a prohibited person. Most sellers satisfy that last requirement by asking to see a valid PTP (permit to purchase, some states require one for the purchase of a handgun or assault type weapon [not my wording]), or a valid PTC (permit to carry). Others will just ask you a few questions and that will be good enough for them. Sometimes you will get a bill of sale, which simply identifies the firearm being sold, the seller, the buyer and their information. I'll include an example bill of sale at the end of this post.
The only way to make sure a name is in no way attached to your firearm is if you purchase it in a FTF transaction, and do not sign a bill of sale. But then if for what ever reason the firearm is confiscated by the police (it happens even if no laws are broken), they will require proof of ownership. BOS is an acceptable proof of ownership. If you have any other questions, feel free to ask. Most of what I said above are national laws and I included NY specific ones as they were needed.
Bill of sale: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/23789746/FTF BOS UNFILLED.pdf
This thread should be moved to a more appropriate section.
Battle of Athens 1946 - Google it.
In the entire history of the Mosin Nagant there have only been four documented cases when anyone has actually used the safety.
True story
SKS as HD option: Here, they would probably have a laugh or two about the "guy who fired 9 rounds at the burglars and then was seen by the neighbors running buck naked after them with the bayonet deployed"
youre always attached to a gun as long as it has serial numbers and anything forensically unique...say...a land/groove pattern. if you buy a gun from a legal dealer they keep a record of whom it was sold to. if you buy a gun from a private individual they keep a record of it if theyre smart. if you buy a gun from a local crack head or gang banger its more likely than not it has been used in some criminal activity and its unique identifiers...such as its rifling pattern...will link the individual in current possession of the firearm to the previous crime.
anyone that asks in an internet forum where there is absolutely no anonymity whatsoever about such things really should not be involved in such things.
Getting an illegal firearm just requires knowing the right people. Hang out with drug dealers and other criminal types and you'll come across someone selling them. Be careful trying to purchase any because feds set up a lot of stings involving illegal arms.
Christ, go to the hood and make some friends. When i was selling and buying quantity I slowly made friends with locals. Eventually people I was talking to would ask questions like "hey, you know anyone looking for (so and such firearm). At the point I'd ask if it had any bodies held to it. Use your head man. If you go out and ask some random person on the street they are going to think you are a cop or just stupid and beat your ass. It's going to take some time. But seriously, don't by an unregistered weapon unless you know it has no bodies on it.
And on top of that, you still wanna take me to prison
Just cause I won't trade humanity for patriotism
Unregistered =/= illegal*.
*Unless you live in a dumb ass place like NYC or D.C.
Last edited by General McBoozer; 11-16-2011 at 02:38 AM.
Battle of Athens 1946 - Google it.
In the entire history of the Mosin Nagant there have only been four documented cases when anyone has actually used the safety.
True story
SKS as HD option: Here, they would probably have a laugh or two about the "guy who fired 9 rounds at the burglars and then was seen by the neighbors running buck naked after them with the bayonet deployed"
SWIM went to a gun show where no ID was required for a bill of sale (talk guns for about an hour and they will be comfortable with you) and SWIM used fictional information to buy a blank firing gun with no paperwork. It fires .45acp blanks.
look aroung at garage sales in the suburbs.i have found several.keep in mind that you have no idea what they have been used for.kind of one of those keep for a rainy day kind of things.
I'm no longer allowed to legally own firearms, cause I did some shit that I shouldn't have done.
I hear gunshows are good place to try and buy some on the low if you find the right cat tryin to sell them. a lot of them older guys just don't care and won't do background checks. try there, go in with ebonics though, they'll take you for a gangbanger and will be less likely to sell you anything.
I was actually shocked NY didn't require registration. Every gun I've owned has been unregistered. I live in KY, and I'm pretty sure it's the same in TN. Don't travel any further for gun shows so I wouldn't know anywhere about else.
I live in Virginia and there is almost no control over guns here. Its just a matter of finding the right dealer. Some places are as crooked as a Virginia fence and will sell to almost anyone. What I would do is sign up with your local gun show group (I get emails about gun shows scheduled in venues anywhere from Fredricksburg to the city over from where I live) if you have one. Just go to the shows (sometimes they charge admission fees, but they are very low and generally pay for themselves with the amount you save on purchasing something) and find some people. If the vendors give you trouble find a dude walking around. I had a guy who just really wanted to get rid of a WASR-10 and was willing to take cash and not do any paperwork.
"The mightiest of weapons is truth. And everyone knows youre not permitted to enter a Government building with a weapon".
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^those
what the hell kind of place do you live in that considers blank guns a firearm and requires a license?? Those things are totally useless lol. its a fucking cap gun, only fancy
Also,
I got offered an AK47 for 5 bills one time at a gun show. I was 19 at the time and had the money. Stupid me went to ATM to with draw the cash and was on my way back to gun show. Long story short, i backed out last second and declined. Later that evening i found out that man trying to sell the gun was undercover popo.
That would have been my ass trying to buy an illegal gun from an under cover officer.
I recommend getting a shotgun. Not traceable and and will get the job done.
Be smart with purchasing your firearm, and make sure it's a throw away gun if you do buy one and use it.
+1. A Mossberg Maverick or a Chinese Hawk (or something like that) Remington clone will cost only around $200 bucks and be a perfectly good home defense/ personal defense/ repoman deterrent/ trunk gun. that and they lack rifling which makes it pretty hard to trace if you police your spent shells.
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there is no firearm manufactured or legally imported into the US that isnt permanently stamped with a unique identifying serial number.
Yes there are, if the firearm was made in the USA before 1968, it did not have to have a serial number on it. The only other legal way to have a firearm with no serial number is if you manufacture the receiver yourself. As an example, if I complete a 80% AR lower, I do not have to put a serial number or any markings on it at all. Same if I bent my own AK from a flat, no numbers required, and both are perfectly legal to do.
Battle of Athens 1946 - Google it.
In the entire history of the Mosin Nagant there have only been four documented cases when anyone has actually used the safety.
True story
SKS as HD option: Here, they would probably have a laugh or two about the "guy who fired 9 rounds at the burglars and then was seen by the neighbors running buck naked after them with the bayonet deployed"
AK-47s aren't illegal though?
And shotguns are always good. First thing I usually do is take the plugs out of them to hold more. As long as you aren't duck hunting it shouldn't cause you any legal trouble.
I should have said currently produced firearms.
i havent been involved in that aspect of firearms in years so laws may have changed but from when i was:
if you keep possession of the firearms, and you dont sell them the ATF doesnt mind not having SNs. there is also (was?) a limit on how many could be produced. from memory the federal sentencing guidelines for sentencing was in the range of <3 is one sentence, 3-5 (or 7?) was an increase in sentence of something like 20mos. i knew a machinist that built several precision rifles from scratch, literally, started with bar stock, except for the barrels, and the ATF didnt bother him. He couldnt sell them, however.
no firearm (literal term..not technical) can be imported w/o a unique identifying SN along with the importers ID
like i said...i dont know the federal laws that are any different from what they were a loooong time ago, and even then my memory was sketchy, so dont use anything i post in some estoppel defense...cause it wont fly
As long as they are semi-automatic and are 9.22R compliant, then they are not illegal. I own two, only one of which falls under 9.22R.
Or if you are one of the lucky SOBs who can afford a NFA AK, those are legal as long as you have the tax stamp.
Edit:There is no limit on how many you can produce, but there is two camps of thought on the sale of a firearm you manufactured.
1, you may not sell it, it is yours for life.
2, you may sell it, but only once or twice in a very very long while.
In both cases, the firearm must be built for personal purposes and NOT for sale. But if you decide to sell later on, camp 2 says you may, but it would be one of those "you can survive the charge, but not the ride" type things. I would personally never sell an AK I bent myself and built. I would sell the ones I bought completed first.
There may be a state law stating how many you are allowed to built, but federally, there is no limit. Just don't build to sell unless you have the proper FFL.
Last edited by General McBoozer; 10-07-2012 at 08:48 PM.
Battle of Athens 1946 - Google it.
In the entire history of the Mosin Nagant there have only been four documented cases when anyone has actually used the safety.
True story
SKS as HD option: Here, they would probably have a laugh or two about the "guy who fired 9 rounds at the burglars and then was seen by the neighbors running buck naked after them with the bayonet deployed"
ak's are legal in all 49 states of america i do not include ca because sling shots are hard to get out that way
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