• Why Capitalism is good, Big government is bad and a few other points

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    Caligula
    Published on 06-10-2012 03:59 AM
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    Quote Originally Posted by Syko Gill View Post
    Chris Hansen:
    Quote Originally Posted by Syko Gill View Post

    First, quit being disrespectful.Second, you are not free. I bet if you own a house you think you own it. You have a mortgage if you do. The bank owns it. You may have paid cash for your car but the point I'm making is that when your owned by a bank (which the American people are), you are a slave to a capitalistic system that has gotten way to out of control.Capitalism can work, if its regulated. Gee I wonder what that is, its socialism. You said it yourself, America is free.Why can't we have a socialist system that maintains all the same rights the constitution and checks and balances provide? There would be more competition because the productive people who want to make something of themselves would compete at their jobs and in their schooling to be the best they can be.Hiring would not be centered around who you know, it would be centered around the merits you have achieved throughout your life. Affirmative action would be gone.Poor people do not have an equal chance, its a fact.America is considered the greatest nation in the world sadly, saying I would have no class is taking this conversation off on a tangent because under every system there is a class structure.You say I'm not entitled to things, why?It's there so you might as well use it. I work sometimes under the table and I eat well and I have no bills.Also, its not an issue of downsizing or upsizing the government, its about giving the government control of the economy and "free market" so we as a nation can be more productive. The socialist countries that have failed were fascist (ie. Hitler, Castro).Again this is America, checks and balances.

    And the more you insult me, the stupider you look.

    Neo-Con. I expect it.
    I am colour coding my points:

    I will not quit being disrespectful because you have not earned my respect. You are a newcomer to the forum and are not entitled at all to my respect. It is something earned not something given away like you would so love.

    Freedom does not mean the ability to sit on your ass in a free house and do whatever you want. Freedom does not mean free college. Freedom does not mean free housing. Freedom does not mean equality. Freedom means that I have the ability to do what I want with my life by my own means. You tell me I am owned by my bank. This is a lie. To some extent any institution that provides for you has some amount of control over you. So would you rather be owned by a bank that you can leave at any time (Yes. you can switch banks because you dont like how they do buisness) or be owned by one big government entity that can take your house and relocate you if they need the land for something? And yes they could do that because they (the socialist government you seem so fond of) would own that house. Not you. The capitalistic system by itself provides the FREEDOM to do business with whomever I choose. The socialistic system by itself provides everything for you. And limited freedom.

    Capitalism does work. And it has for many many years. Over 200 I believe! And if you think that socialism is regulated Capitalism you are an idiot. Socialism is an economic system that is supposed to end the monetary system. (Communism does the same but in a slightly different way) Socialism suggest social ownership of property, goods and services etc... Capitalism suggest the private ownership of property, goods and services etc. So it is quite safe to say that your statment of socialism being regulated capitalism is just incorrect and shows that you dont understand your own political beliefs.

    We cant have a socialistic system that maintains the same rights as the Constitution because the constitution was written with the understanding that it would be involved in a capitalistic economic system. Why did the United States become a nation? Because the arm of other nations were opressing the people. So we stood up and took it and made it into something beautiful in only 200 short years. How many other nations have been able to do what we have done? You obviously dont understand what checks and balances are because those refer to the branches of government and if everything was owned by the government there would be no logical need for checks and balances. There would be no competition because under socialistic rule the government can take your shit and give it to someone else who "needs it". I find this unfair because that is my shit. My bank can take my house but my government cant even place troops in there without my consent. What would be the point in working for anything if in the end it can and will be taken and given to someone else? Capitalism is one thing that keeps people more productive at their jobs. Not socialism. In a socialist society you would get a living wage which is all you need to get by. So what would the point be in working harder if you get absolutely nothing for it? Why would the schools be better? Look at the public education system. Would you say we have a good system? Now look at colleges. Privately owned ones are the best by far for a reason. Are you getting the point? PRIVATIZATION IS FUCKING AWESOME!

    Hiring is not centered around who you know nor the merits you achieved in your life. You know why? Because what merits will you achieve in a completely equal society? You would be worth no more than your neighbor because you would have no real achievements because everyone can take the same opportunity and succeed. If everyone succeeds then how do you know who is the absolute best? In our wonderful capitalistic system we can figure out who the best and brightest are by looking at their schooling records and see that they have done better than everyone else. Affirmative action is a terrible thing. And it is a socialist policy because someone can get hired because of their skin color than because of their merit. So you are showing that you are against your own policies.

    Poor people do not have an equal chance. That is a fact. But they have a chance. Look at the poor in any other area of the world. Then look at american poverty. Our poor look live like rockstars compared to the rest of the worlds poor because of our system.

    Again obviously you do not know much about your own political belief because socialism promotes a classless society. Equality means no social class.

    You are not entitled to things because they are not just "there" for you to take. Am I entitled to your television if im at your house and its just "there"? The things in your life are made by someone. And production costs money. You work under the table and eat well while having no bills? Well all that would change in a heartbeat if we were socialists. You would have to work. And you would have to pay A LOT of tax because you work for the government and you probably wouldnt eat as well because they would ration the food because it wouldnt be sensible to produce excess. You are not entitled to things because those things are not yours. And they are not just there. Someone has to pay for them and guess who that is? Big Business. So thank them instead of Big Brother next time you feel you are so entitled.

    Giving government control of the free market would A. make the market not free and B. Make the government bigger! So I think that is the definition of upsizing...

    Again you have no idea what checks and balances are. The free market regulates itself and sustains itself. There may be depressions and such but I would rather have a Great Depression every 100 years or so than always have a depression. Business checks and balances itself because it is customer and service based. Bad service = no business.

    Now please next time do your research before talking politics with me. I know my shit.
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    1. glenns's Avatar
      glenns - 06-16-2012, 02:30 AM
      Quote Originally Posted by Chris Hansen View Post
      You can view the page at http://www.totse2.com/content.php?38...w-other-points
      Capitalism is an evil. It encourages brother to fight amongst brother in the vain attempt to die with the most 'toys.' I read a classic bumper sticker that sums up the capitalist mindset: "He who dies with the most toys wins!"
      Idiots, mostly Republicans, will insist that capitalism stimulates the competitive spirit, causing companies to produce ever better products. If this is so, then why are non-capitalist countries (Korea, Japan) producing products superior than the capitalist country (USA)?
      Why is that? Why is it that non-capitalist societies make better products than the capitalist society? The dullard Republican, in his simpleton, dull-witted frame of mind, will not come up with an answer.

      The reality is this and nothing more: A people will produce the better product if they are joined in unison by a common thread and mutual understanding. And the underlying understanding is this: "We are here to produce excellence of product. Joined by a common bond, we shall delight not in the profit motive, as the retard Republicans do, but rather by the sheer delight of knowing we produced a product of unparalleled excellence!"

      This reality worked to phenomenal success with Germany under the leadership of Adolf Hitler. From 1933 to 1943, Germany had a GDP per capita that outstripped the USA's by a factor of three. The obvious reason being that Nazi Germany was a country united by a common bond and mutual understanding. No capitalists dividing our people, no sir! The workers on the factory floor at the Mercedes Benz factory knew they were making a product of unparalleled excellence, and as a consequence, went home feeling proud that a day's work of excellence had been performed by their own hands. The CEO of Mercedes Benz? He likewise went home with the same feeling, with his house right next to his workers' homes.

      Not in this sorry country. In this country, the CEO lives in an ivory tower, far removed from the "rabble that works on my factory floor." To him, his workers are "uneducated bums that can't do anything but turn a wrench to save their life." Such is the mindset of the capitalist!

      China has become increasingly National Socialist. And as a result, they stand to dethrone this sorry capitalist country of ours in less than 25 years. To the victor goes the spoils. And in the current case, the victor will be National Socialist China.
    1. sL1nG3r's Avatar
      sL1nG3r - 06-16-2012, 03:42 AM
      Quote Originally Posted by glenns View Post
      Capitalism is an evil. It encourages brother to fight amongst brother in the vain attempt to die with the most 'toys.' I read a classic bumper sticker that sums up the capitalist mindset: "He who dies with the most toys wins!"
      Idiots, mostly Republicans, will insist that capitalism stimulates the competitive spirit, causing companies to produce ever better products. If this is so, then why are non-capitalist countries (Korea, Japan) producing products superior than the capitalist country (USA)?
      Why is that? Why is it that non-capitalist societies make better products than the capitalist society? The dullard Republican, in his simpleton, dull-witted frame of mind, will not come up with an answer.

      The reality is this and nothing more: A people will produce the better product if they are joined in unison by a common thread and mutual understanding. And the underlying understanding is this: "We are here to produce excellence of product. Joined by a common bond, we shall delight not in the profit motive, as the retard Republicans do, but rather by the sheer delight of knowing we produced a product of unparalleled excellence!"

      This reality worked to phenomenal success with Germany under the leadership of Adolf Hitler. From 1933 to 1943, Germany had a GDP per capita that outstripped the USA's by a factor of three. The obvious reason being that Nazi Germany was a country united by a common bond and mutual understanding. No capitalists dividing our people, no sir! The workers on the factory floor at the Mercedes Benz factory knew they were making a product of unparalleled excellence, and as a consequence, went home feeling proud that a day's work of excellence had been performed by their own hands. The CEO of Mercedes Benz? He likewise went home with the same feeling, with his house right next to his workers' homes.

      Not in this sorry country. In this country, the CEO lives in an ivory tower, far removed from the "rabble that works on my factory floor." To him, his workers are "uneducated bums that can't do anything but turn a wrench to save their life." Such is the mindset of the capitalist!

      China has become increasingly National Socialist. And as a result, they stand to dethrone this sorry capitalist country of ours in less than 25 years. To the victor goes the spoils. And in the current case, the victor will be National Socialist China.
      First error you made: calling capatilism evil since "evil" does not exist except in the mind of the oppressed. I'm not going to bother pointing out the rest of your retardation bcus just no. If you use the word evil you lost me right there in the first sentence. Also fuck asia the US will kill all 25 billion of them.
    1. glenns's Avatar
      glenns - 06-16-2012, 09:04 PM
      Quote Originally Posted by sL1nG3r View Post
      First error you made: calling capatilism evil since "evil" does not exist except in the mind of the oppressed. I'm not going to bother pointing out the rest of your retardation bcus just no. If you use the word evil you lost me right there in the first sentence. Also fuck asia the US will kill all 25 billion of them.
      Another illiterate! What is it about Totse2 that attracts such a large volume of illiterates?!
      What the hell is "capitilism"? And I "lost" you on the first sentence of my reply only because you aren't capable of reading beyond a fifth-grade reading level.
      TO THE FORUM ADMINISTRATORS OF TOTSE2: CAN YOU PLEASE SUPPLY A BASIC ENGLISH GRAMMAR COURSE FOR THE POSTERS HERE.
    1. Caligula's Avatar
      Caligula - 06-17-2012, 10:46 PM
      Quote Originally Posted by glenns View Post
      Another illiterate! What is it about Totse2 that attracts such a large volume of illiterates?!
      What the hell is "capitilism"? And I "lost" you on the first sentence of my reply only because you aren't capable of reading beyond a fifth-grade reading level.
      TO THE FORUM ADMINISTRATORS OF TOTSE2: CAN YOU PLEASE SUPPLY A BASIC ENGLISH GRAMMAR COURSE FOR THE POSTERS HERE.
      That would be ridiculous. You cant demand that the owner of this forum supplies us with upwards of fifth grade reading courses.
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      wurfgurf - 07-11-2012, 04:35 AM
      "can't we all just get along?"...
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      cnrstn - 08-28-2012, 05:55 AM
      Why hello there, I found your comment so terribly ill-informed and disgusting, that I had to make an account to reply. Chris' method of responding seemed to work pretty well, so I'll do the same thing.

      Quote Originally Posted by glenns View Post
      Capitalism is an evil.
       It encourages brother to fight amongst brother in the vain attempt to die with the most 'toys.' I read a classic bumper sticker that sums up the capitalist mindset: "He who dies with the most toys wins!"
      Idiots, mostly Republicans, will insist that capitalism stimulates the competitive spirit, causing companies to produce ever better products. If this is so, then why are non-capitalist countries (Korea, Japan) producing products superior than the capitalist country (USA)?
      Why is that? Why is it that non-capitalist societies make better products than the capitalist society? The dullard Republican, in his simpleton, dull-witted frame of mind, will not come up with an answer.The reality is this and nothing more: A people will produce the better product if they are joined in unison by a common thread and mutual understanding. And the underlying understanding is this: "We are here to produce excellence of product. Joined by a common bond, we shall delight not in the profit motive, as the retard Republicans do, but rather by the sheer delight of knowing we produced a product of unparalleled excellence!"
      This reality worked to phenomenal success with Germany under the leadership of Adolf Hitler. From 1933 to 1943, Germany had a GDP per capita that outstripped the USA's by a factor of three. The obvious reason being that Nazi Germany was a country united by a common bond and mutual understanding. No capitalists dividing our people, no sir! The workers on the factory floor at the Mercedes Benz factory knew they were making a product of unparalleled excellence, and as a consequence, went home feeling proud that a day's work of excellence had been performed by their own hands. The CEO of Mercedes Benz? He likewise went home with the same feeling, with his house right next to his workers' homes.
      Not in this sorry country. In this country, the CEO lives in an ivory tower, far removed from the "rabble that works on my factory floor." To him, his workers are "uneducated bums that can't do anything but turn a wrench to save their life."
      Such is the mindset of the capitalist! China has become increasingly National Socialist. And as a result, they stand to dethrone this sorry capitalist country of ours in less than 25 years. To the victor goes the spoils. And in the current case, the victor will be National Socialist China.
      Capitalism is an evil..what? It is an evil that plagues the earth? Maybe you need a history lesson, so good thing I came along.
      Is it hard to be as bitter as you are? Is everything these days about material possessions? Your statement is such a sweeping generalization, it's a bit shocking.
      You want to know what country has the highest GDP in the world? Name the countries in the world with 300 million people or more where the standard of living is as high as it is in the USA? Now this one pisses me off, KOREA AND JAPAN ARE NOT CAPITALIST??? What planet are you living on? They were both basically US puppets at one time, they are of course capitalist. Superior products? Maybe if the US made better regulations instead of more and cut taxes down on corporations, maybe then companies based in other countries would have less of an incentive to cheat the system.
      May I ask what countries make better products than the US? There is no correct answer, because of a little bit of bias, or in your case, a fucking ton. Can I ask Mr. Comman-Man this question, if you knew that you would be paid for sub-par work, would you work hard to ensure that your products were outstanding? Of course not. You can be paid for doing nothing. In capitalism, if you don't work hard, the margin for success is tiny. In a country of hundreds of millions of people, of course the only ones you ever think of are the ones that never work for anything, but still live the high life. Millions of Americans work hard to ensure that their product is the best, and they know they will never succeed if it's not.
      Now your just trying to piss me off, I can feel it. You know by 1944 a German regiment was considered 'mechanized' if more than half of the soldiers had bikes? Yeah, the industrial giant known as Socialist Germany outstripped the US before it was even one of the world's leading powers, in the middle of the Great Depression. And the CEO of Mercedes Benz? For some reason I think that the CEO of Mercedes Benz was killed, and the government seized control of it. That said, maybe no one was killed? Mercedes Benz was owned by the government before and during WW2. Maybe if we threatened people with sending them off the the death camps, it would solve our 'getting paid for doing nothing' problem. Let's not forget what's happened to this 'great industrial giant', HINT: ( it ends with the deaths of millions of people, many of whom are innocent).
      An ivory tower? How cliche. Again, why not just go back to what I was saying before, ta'hell you so bitter? Your acting like Hitler didn't sit in his mountain fortress unwilling to spend any time with the people that made up most of his armies or workforce. Just because Socialism makes the margin for success smaller, doesn't make it any better. In fact, it makes it worse! If you came up with a billion-dollar idea, and succeed in executing this idea, congrats, you are a billionaire, now try and do that with socialism. Shame you are too busy not working in your state-run factory talking to your 'CEO'.
      If this was all trolling, great job, you REALLY got me good. I'm a little pissed off at how ignorant you are, and how you act like you are informed. China has become more CAPITALIST, it's the only reason that they have been able to achieve success. Believe it or not, they are overdue for a real-estate collapse. The government demands that the GDP in a certain area be met, and the only way it's possible is through massive building project. Hundreds of skyscrapers all across China lay completely unoccupied, with the people's homes being torn down to make room for the new building Too bad these people are too poor to buy an apartment in the new skyscraper.

      Did someone who called themselves a Republican at one point in your childhood hurt you? More likely you were just dropped on your head too many times. Heres my message: wake the fuck up, Capitalism gives the greatest chance of economic success than ANY type of government run market.
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      AnimaSolis - 09-04-2012, 08:06 PM
      Meritocracy, enough said.
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      ECA - 12-27-2012, 02:02 PM
      For those that dont understand the USA..
      we have a closed market. and you cant BRING in products without going thru it. Only the major corps can say yes or no, to new products.
      IF we had a OPEN market, any company or nation could send here and have products sold at <1/2 the price. that means they would have to COMPETE..
      Capitalism is fine, IF IT COMPETES..

      Another thought for you all..
      What are the education requirements for Politicians....NONE..
      Look at ALL of their history, of each person..ITS A FAMILY THING..
      NO OTHER democracy has a 2 party system..ALL other systems have been Blackballed(denigrated) in the USA ideals.
      its not just the Politicians..Look around them. to the NON-ELECTED JOBS..there are people that have been in washington longer then MOST politicians.. THOSE are the people giving them KNOWLEDGE/INFO/COMMENTS..

      Another THINK..
      In the 60-70's there was a problem..TO MANY JOBS..which ment that a person could go job to job and get better money. And still there were more jobs..So the corps sent representatives to other nations to setup BUSINESS and get more workers. the nations loved it, and you can even see it in the papers.
      NOW the fun part.
      A corp has a Facility in another country and to save time, its NOT in their name. You BUY products from the company at $xx, but you send $xxx(extra x there), this can be claimed as a deduction as you have the paper work to show you SENT that money. Then you can charge $xxx+ profit margin..
      Ever wonder WHY corps dont want a SIMPLIFIED Tax forum.. they would rather send TONS of paper to the IRS then to have the IRS figure out whats going on..
      The IRS has a hard time with all this. they cant monitor all the transactions and what went where..They estimate that about $8billion leaves the USA unaccounted for per year.